Friday, April 27, 2007

The other half of the story

hirhurim has an excerpt of a marc shapiro quote; it is interesting to read the full context:

In your writings and speeches, you reveal many little known facts such as: 1) Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch asked Rabbi Dovid Tzvi Hoffman to remove his hat (thus leaving him bareheaded) when visiting him at his school so that the non-Jewish teachers shouldn’t think him disrespectful; 2) The Akeidas Yitzchak (15th century Spanish scholar) maintained that non-Jews need not observe the seven Noachide laws; 3) Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook called Tolstoy a “great man… who is full of holiness”; and 4) Rabbi Israel Moshe Hazzan (Sephardi sage, 1808-1862) wrote that one should incorporate church tunes into the davening since they lead to love of God. Why are things like these so unknown?

Because yeshivas today don’t teach Jewish philosophy or theology. They teach hashkafa and emunah, which is fine, but that’s more like indoctrination. And whereas people are very sophisticated when it comes to Talmud study and they’ll look at all the different shittos, when it comes to philosophical study of Judaism – its history, its ideas – they’re not sophisticated and they’re not interested.

This prevents us from being able to respond to ideological challenges. Just as we assume that someone who approaches halachic issues without having a firm grasp of responsa literature, Shas and poskim is not doing his job, the problem here is that many people who approach the non-halachic matters don’t really have any background. It’s a serious discipline, Jewish philosophy and theology – just as serious as halacha, but not taken so.

Notice how the answer has absolutely nothing to do with the question. the real answer is 4)why on earth should anybody know that r' israel moshe hazzan, an unheard of sephardi sage 1807- said to incorporate church tunes into davening. 3)why should anyone be surprised that r' tzvi yehuda said that tolstoy was great, 2) The question is why does Shapiro know this. And 1) everyone who read the latest issue of hakira already knows this. (and no one else does because it was censored, ayen sham b'hakirah.)

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

people use the akeidat yitzchak; and Hakira would probably not be used in most yeshivas today (it's pt. is to be "tradition without the gloves" [-source unknown])

WFB said...

the akeida is explicitly against a gemara. but more fundamentally, what liberal cause does this give support to? in other words, why does marc shapiro care if gentiles are obligated in the seven noahide commandments?

(B"K 38a R. Joseph said: 'He stood and measured the earth; he beheld' etc. What did He behold? He beheld the seven commandments which had been commanded to all the descendants of Noah, and since they rejected them He rose up and granted them exemption. Does this mean that they benefited [by breaking the law]? And if so, will it not be a case of a sinner profiting [by the transgression he committed]? — Mar the son of Rabana thereupon said: 'It only means that even were they to keep the seven commandments [which had first been accepted but subsequently rejected by them] they would receive no reward.'Would they not? But it has been taught: 'R. Meir used to say, Whence can we learn that even where a Gentile occupies himself with the study of the Torah he equals [in status] the High Priest? We find it stated: … which if a man do he shall live in them; it does not say "priests, Levites and Israelites", but "a man", which shows that even if a Gentile occupies himself with the study of the Torah he equals [in status] the High Priest.' — I mean [in saying that they would receive no reward] that they will receive reward not like those who having been enjoined perform commandments, but like those who not having been enjoined perform good deeds: for R. Hanina has stated: Greater is the reward of those who having been enjoined do good deeds than of those who not having been enjoined [but merely out of free will] do good deeds.